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    July 11, 2011
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but there was eventually a winning kick. team usa going to the finals. >> must-see moment of the day. "america live" starts right now. >> and we start with this fox news alert on a brand new headache for millions of out of work americans. a grim new report that is now revealing growing economic uncertainty is forcing small businesses into a hiring freeze with further plans, according to this report, to cut thousands of jobs. that is not head anything the right direction -- heading in the right direction. welcome to "america live," everybody, i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly. so just days after the release of that dismal june jobs report, the latest survey is shedding some new light on the impact of this shaky economy. now, get this, look at these numbers. 64% in this survey of small business owners say they do not plan to add any job next year. 12% of them say they will actually be cutting jobs in their small businesses with only
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19% saying that they hope to add jobs in the future. stuart varney of the fox business network joins me. this is where the jobs are, stuart, as you well know. >> reporter: if you ask regular folks, what do you care about when you say the economy? what do you care about? the answer is not the budget deficit, it's not the european debt crisis, it is jobs. fundamentally, that's it. this report is really grim news because small business is the engine which has always driven job growth and job creation in america. it's been true for generations. and now all of a sudden you've got six out of ten small businesses saying we're not hiring anymore. 19% say, yeah, we'll hire, but 64% say, no, we will not hire. and i can add to that. there's another study just come out, it's by the kaufman foundation. they study all new small businesses created in the year 2009. they found that those businesses will not hire a million people
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that they would have hired in a previous generation because of technology, obamacare, regulation, taxes. that's a million small business hires which have not taken place.
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martha: i don't know. does the internet really cut down -- >> i think it does. i think it does. it all comes down to small businesses not hiring -- martha: fewer people than they did before. >> reporter: it's a very grim picture that's being presented. martha: stuart, thank you very much. good to see you. thank you very much. let's put this in a bit of context here. a slowdown in hiring in june pushed the unemployment rate -- this was a huge number -- 9.2%. only 18,000 net jobs were created to the work force last month. at least 250,000 jobs are needed per added to start to start to
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drive that unemployment rate down significantly, so we are nowhere near that. that's a big gap between 18,000 and 250, i don't need to tell you. so president obama since he took office, we have seen the economy lose two and a half million jobs. that's a fact. that's just the raw numbers that are out there. so there's a lot of questions about what kind of impact the economy will have on president obama's re-election hopes. take a listen to how the treasury secretary, tim geithner, responded to that question about the president's economic record. listen to this. >> you talk about what's good for the economy, a lot of this discussion about debt is, ultimately, to free up space for jobs to be created. it's not happening. people are still out of work. here's the charter of the president's economic record, this is based on government information, treasury department, u.s. bureau of labor stats. unemployment, 7.3% on inauguration date, up to 9.2% with the latest report, you see the debt figures up 35% -- >> let me just say, that's a
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ridiculous table. martha: that is a ridiculous table. we're going to talk about that. is it? we've got a fair and balanced debate on that response coming up moments from now. and another fox news alert right now. less than an hour away from a critical debt meeting at the white house. we're now awaiting a new conference with house speaker john boehner. we just got word that he is, also, about to speak to the people. now, on saturday they ruled out a long-term deal saying that they believe, the gop believes that it will only lead to higher taxes. president obama and those congressional leaders are now back to the drawing board on this. at the president's news conference, which happened just a little more than an hour ago, the president said he is prepared to take significant heat from members of his own party in order to achieve meaningful debt and deficit reduction. here are his words. >> what i've said to the leaders is bring back to me some ideas that you think can get the necessary number of votes in the house and in the senate. i'm happy to consider all options, all alternatives that
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they're looking at. the things that i will not consider are a 30-day or a 60-day or a 90-day or 180-day temporary stopgap resolution to this problem. martha: yeah. he said this is the united states, we can deal with this problem, we're not going to do a temporary deal. so we'll see where this goes. push has come to shove, folks, on this one. we are monitoring all of this from the white house, and we'll bring you those developments as soon as they happen. we'll get them straight on the air. in the meantime, a stunning wave of mexican drug violence killing more than 40 people over the course of 24 hours. the bloodiest attack taking place on the northern business capital of monterey. this used to be a place where lots of u.s. business was done. no more. gunmen with assault rifles opening fire inside a nightclub and massacring 21 people. trace gallagher's following this story for us from our west coast newsroom. >> reporter: and the
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frightening part of the story is over the months cartel leaders have been captured, and yet violence down in the mexico gets worse. when the new leaders come in, they exert authority in horrifying ways. look at the map there spreading across mexico. we're talking about month ray that you mentioned, torreon and chalco. there are still some u.s. factories based in monterey. 21 people were slaughtered when gunmen walked into that nightclub with assault rifles going after other cartel members. and, of course, a number of innocent people got in the way and got killed. they're fighting for these drug routes into the united states, the zetas, the gulf cartel. monterey has become a battle zone down there because those drug routes are very lucrative. in many mexico city -- mexico city, 11 people shot dead as a result of drug violence. the decapitated bodies of ten other people found in the trunk of a vehicle. it's unclear exactly who those
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victims were, but think about this. in four years there have been 42,000 people killed because of drug violence in mexico. that's when felipe calderon declared war on the cartels, 43,000 dead. no sign of this ending anytime soon, martha. martha: all right. trace, thank you very much. all right, back to this for a moment. fox news alert with brand new video just coming in of the u.s. embassy under attack in the syria. a mob of pro-government protesters attacked the u.s. embassy there. this is a compound in da damascs seen from outside. serious damage, shattered windows, graffiti, protesters even burned the american flag. now the u.s. state department is formally condemning syria for this act and failing to protect the american embassy there. joining us now is ambassador john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. good to have you, sir. what's your reaction to this?
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>> well, i think the obama administration's reaction is very inadequate. there are two issues here. one is political, one is security. the obama administration never should have sent the u.s. ambassador back to damascus. it was always wrong to think we could negotiate with the assad regime, and if we had any doubts in the past few months, that regime has shown it's fundamentally illegitimate. now with a government-controlled tv station egging the demonstrators on, with syrian security being completely inadequate, this should prompt the united states to withdraw recognition from syria or at an absolute minimum withdraw our ambassador and all of our personnel. that's the political point. but there's a security point here as well. we know how influenced syria is by iran, and they have now put us on notice that they're willing to allow force to be used against the embassy and the ambassador's residence.
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remember tehran, 1979. if anything further should happen, god forbid anybody should be killed or injured or taken hostage. we've been put on notice now. we've got no excuse if that happens. martha: yeah. you know, i mean, obviously, the whole idea of an embassy in a foreign country is that that is a safe place, you know, for diplomatic action to take place and, also, just sort of a safe harbor for that country within another country. if we don't have any assurance of that, as you say, you know, reasonable move would be to pull our people out of there. is there any indication, you know, do you think they'll go that step? do you think the u.s. government will go that step at this point? >> well, they certainly haven't in their first reaction, simply condemning the syrian government. and i want to stress again, here's where the security and the political aspects converge completely. we shouldn't be there to begin with. now it's demonstrated as unsafe for the americans to be there. they should all be pulled out. martha: all right. we'll watch it.
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ambassador bolton, always good to speak with you. thank you very much. coming up now, there are some serious new concerns today about tsa searches and your safety in the air. how in the world does a stun gun make it past security and onto a jetblue flight? this is just a string of events that we've seen with tsa lately. we've got to get more information on this, we'll bring that moments from now. and lawmakers heading into the next critical round of talks at the white house today, but is washington actually listening to what the american people are saying about this debt ceiling? we're going to talk about that coming up. lou dobbs will weigh in on the latest questions about the issue of tax hikes, spending and raising this debt ceiling. do we need to do it? lou comes in moments from now. >> the latest cbs news poll showed that only 24% of americans said you should raise the debt limit to avoid an economic catastrophe. there's still 69% who oppose
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martha: yeah, we want to get you up to speed on this accident that was reported earlier. we now have some new information on this. this is an amtrak train that collided with a tractor-trailer in the maine. and take a look. this is a bad situation. witnesses say that the impact caused an explosion shooting flames more than three stories high. the main department of public safety is reporting that the truck driver died in this attack and, apparently, there are some passengers who were also injured. in this amtrak accident. unclear how many or how seriously, but we'll stay on top of that story and get you the latest when it comes in. oh, boy, do we have a high-stakes battle over, really,
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the future of this country and the battle over your money and how all of this is playing out right now on capitol hill. the president just a short time ago held a news conference on these stalled budget talks to kind of lay out where he stands on all of this before they made in for the next round. a huge sticking point on this is whether or not to raise taxes on the rich. here's what the president had to say about that. listen to this. >> i will not accept a deal in which i am asked to do nothing, in fact, i'm able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that i don't need, while a parent out there who's struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds that they've got a couple thousand dollars less -- martha: so that's the argument, lou. we've heard this class warfare argument laid out quite a bit, very intensely, in fact, over the last couple weeks. those guys with the corporate jets and the people like me, says president obama, you know,
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best-selling author he referred to at one point. i don't need these hundreds of thousands of dollars. i want you to take it back, united states of america, and help these people who need to pay for education and all the rest. >> that appears to be one of his limitations, is he can't get beyond the first person references whether it be an aside, as that was -- perhaps scripted, but nonetheless an aside -- and bringing his own story into a discussion, a serious discussion about the direction of the country. $14.3 trillion in debt, $1.65 trillion in deficit, and this man is talking about whether or not he should have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the benefits from writing books. i mean, it's -- the level of intellect that's being brought to this discussion in washington, d.c., martha, is so disappointing that it's disturbing. martha: well, but, you know, his argument is that -- and 49% in be one of the polls that i saw, 49% of people agreed with this -- that, you know what? the really rich people, they
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should definitely chip in more to the mix here. >> well, how about -- martha: if you tax all those people 100% of their money, right? you still would go this far into this problem. >> i would like to hear this president say what should, what percentage of the total income taxes in this country should the top 10% of earners be paying? should it be above the current 40%? i mean, what are we doing here? half the people in this country aren't even paying taxes, and he continues and persists in this mythology that he is trying to create there at the white house. he is losing. he looks childish as he sits there begging the republicans to agree to what he knows is absolutely, absolutely a nonstarter. and that is raising taxes rather than reducing government. and to suggest that somebody's going to have $2,000 or $100,000, that's all been within the power of both political parties for 30 years.
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martha: the other side of the argument, and he referenced this several times in what he spoke about today, was that nobody, you know, and i'm paraphrasing here, nobody wants to cut entitlements, he was saying. nobody wants to take away from these programs. and he said, basically, as soon as we deal with this issue and get the debt ceiling raised, we can get back to -- that will help the economy improve, was the argument, and we can get back to replenishing these coffers and making sure we don't renege on entitlements. this assumes there's no area for cuts in any of those programs that would help to sustain that. >> i'm going to quote, if i may, martha, his friend and supporter, former at least, and that is the head of the afl-cio, richard trumka. president obama is delusional, says trumka. i happen to think when it comes to economic policy he only seems to be so because he is so lacking in knowledge. and understanding of our economy. this man in two and a half years has watched millions of people
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lose their jobs in the private sector. he has watched the local governments in this country lose hundreds of thousands of jobs. we've seen over half a million jobs lost in local and state government. we have not seen a single job loss in the federal government. in fact, over the time since he was sworn in we've seen 36,000 new jobs created in the federal government while the rest of the country is going through the worst recession since the great depression. and we have this president talking about nonsense. i mean, this is -- you simply cannot logically follow what this man is saying right now. martha: all right. we're going to continue with this really important discussion. lou dobbs, thank you so much. >> great to be with you. martha: great to have you. all right, we're getting a lot of reaction, of course, to all of this, and we want to hear what you think about this. weigh in and tell us what your thoughts are, foxnews.com/"america live." today we're asking, president obama says that we need tax hikes or people will suffer. he says that has to be part of
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the balance, of the give and take. do you think that trillions in new revenues would be spent wisely by the united states government? will it go to questionable programs, will it go go to makig the government bigger? will lawmakers get the message there's no penalty for additional spending? we want to see what you think about those. you can also send me a tweet at martha maccallum as well. catch lou dobbs every night on the fox business channel at 7 p.m. eastern time. thank you, lou. >> thank you. martha: all right. so when the world trade center was attacked back on september 11th, a 25-foot mettle sphere was only one of the similar bombs -- symbols to survive. some families consider this a critical part of the memorial. just ahead, why they're being told to forget that idea. and a 3-year-old boy trapped in high water at the bottom of a 40-foot well. this incredible story is next. right here on "america live." >> i told him that, you know, to
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martha: well, tension is mounting in pakistan. the united states has announced that it will withhold millions in military aid there. so the pakistani government sources unfazed by this apparent snub, but some diplomats are calling it, quote, an unwise move on the part of the united states. many experts now worry what this will mean for the already very stormy relationship between the united states and pakistan, especially in light of the bin laden capture and kill. conor powell joins me live from islamabad with the latest on that. hi, connor. >> reporter: well, hi, martha. well, to describe the afghan -- or the american/pakistan
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relationship as stormy is massively becoming a real understatement. it is down right poisonous and hostile at times now. for the last ten years or so, the united states has given about $20 billion to pakistan's military for the larger war on terror. this year alone they were meant to give $2 billion. but over the weekend the white house announced that it's withholding $800 million to the pakistani military. now, officially, the reason is that pakistan has kicked out a bunch of american military trainers, and the u.s. says they're simply not going to give money to the pakistanis for equipment that they can't be trained on. but unofficially, though, this has to do with the larger war on terror in pakistan's refusal to go after insurgents in the tribal region between afghanistan and pakistan. the u.s. is putting a great deal of pressure on pakistan both publicly and privately to do more on the war on terror, especially since the bin laden raid in may. now, pakistan has resisted, and one of the top generals in
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pakistan said, essentially, they dismissed this latest move by the united states saying that pakistan can continue military operations without u.s. money. now, lawmakers here and other media commentators, though, are very angry, and they're calling this latest move by the united states something that will severely damage the pakistan/american relationship. but it is something that the americans feel they must do in order to put more and more pressure on pakistan to go after insurgents. martha? martha: all right, connor, thank you so much. conor powell reporting from islamabad. so the president a little while ago threw down the gauntlet telling republicans that they have to give him tax increases or a debt deal may not happen. with the economy in the balance, john boehner responds in just five minutes. we just got word that he is now ready to speak about this. we're going to bring that to you live coming up just moments from now, so stay tuned for that after the break. and the tsa dropping the
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martha: all right. we've got a fox news alert now on a high-stakes debt talk that is going on this afternoon on capitol hill. just a little while ago, about an hour and a half ago, we heard from the president. he told republicans, basically, he believes that they're going to have to give him some tax increases. he says revenue has to be part of this deal. now we have john boehner stepping forward to the podium before these talks get underway. we're going to hear from his side, let's listen in. >> i appreciate what the president said today about the need for us to come together to get this done. our disagreements are not personal, and they never have been. but the gulf between the two parties now is about policy. it's not about process, and it's not about personalities. the president and i agree that the current levels of spending, including entitlement spending, are unsustainable.
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the president and i do not agree on his view that government needs more revenues through higher taxes on job creators. the president and i also disagree on the extent of the entitlement problem and what is necessary in order to solve it. most americans would say that a balanced approach is a simple one. the administration gets its debt limit increase, and the american people get their spending cuts. and their reforms. and adding tax increases to the equation doesn't balance anything. the american people understand that tax hikes destroy jobs. the last thing we should be doing right now at a time of 9.2% unemployment is enacting more government policies that will destroy jobs. what the american people want is for us to work together to remove government barriers that are getting in the way of job creation and real economic
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growth. two of the biggest obstacles to job growth that we face are out of control entitlement spending and the current tax codement -- code. and i think the fundamental questions are there: can you control government spending without fundamentally reforming entitlements? i think the answer is, no. do you need to raise taxes in order to get control of spending? i think the answer is, no. if you want to see an increase in government revenues, then let's grow the economy and create jobs, broaden the tax base and lower rates. as senator rubio said last week, we don't need more taxes, what we need are more taxpayers. so our disagreement with the president is not about closing loopholes. none of us are fond of loopholes. our disagreement is over the idea of raising taxes on the very people that we're asking to create jobs in our country. i would agree with the president
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that the national debt limit must be raised. and i'm glad that he made the case for it today. but the american people will not accept -- and the house cannot pass -- a bill that raises taxes on job creators. the house can only pass a debt limit bill that includes spending cuts larger than the hike in the debt limit as well as real restraints on future spending. my colleagues and i believe we should enact a balanced budget amendment to keep the federal government from spending us into the same situation again. i think we also need real reductions in spending right now and spending caps to insure that any progress that we make is not undone in the future. listen, i agree with the president, we cannot allow our nation to default on our debt. but to prevent a default, a bill must pass the congress. and a bill that doesn't meet these tests can't pass the house
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of representatives. this is the message we will take again to the white house today and hope that we can work our way through this. [inaudible conversations] [no audio] >> i do think that whatever agreement that we come to is going to have to pass the house and senate on a bipartisan basis. [no audio] [no audio]
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>> we've been involved in, i think, very sincere and honest negotiations and honest discussions. i think the president and i both understand that the nation faces a very difficult decision. and there, clearly, is no personality different between the -- difference between the president and i. i get along with him fine. this boils down to two things, and i said it on saturday night. the president continues to insist on raising taxes, and they're just not serious enough about fundamental entitlement reform to solve the problem for the near to intermediate future. i want to get there. i want to do what i think's in the right interest -- the best interests of the country. but it takes two to tango, and they're not there yet. [inaudible conversations] martha: all right. very interesting. we couldn't hear the questions, clearly, that were being asked
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there, but you saw john boehner's answers to them, and he is about to head into a very tense meeting, no doubt, as they try to hammer this out. joined now by brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president bush, and dick harpootlian, gentlemen, welcome. let me start with you, dick. john boehner is in, you know, maybe one of the toughest working weeks of his career. i mean, he's trying to sort of balance things on the gop side and get something through. but, basically, i don't know if he can get anything through the house that has any tax hikes attached to it. they've said that loud and clear. so where does that leave him as he goes into this meeting? >> >> well, i mean, i think they continue to characterize closing loopholes as tack hikes -- tax hikes, and this is a problem. if we're going to ask the elderly and the infirm to sacrifice, and that's what we're asking them to do when you talk about cutting social security, cutting medicaid, cutting support for people that can't support themselves, then why not ask donald trump who we -- every
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taxpayer subsidizes every time he takes off in that jet of his, we're paying for it. why shouldn't he sacrifice too? why shouldn't those that are making a billion dollars a year on wall street have their -- if you're the average american working today that you're making money and you're paying taxes, you work until the end of march to pay your -- martha: you know, dick, i've got to tell you something -- >> no, wait a minute, the greedheads on wall street are done paying their taxes on january 15th. why shouldn't there be the closing of loopholes so wall street and the bankers pay their share? that's all pram a's talking about is some -- president obama's talking about, some closing of loopholes to offset one out of three dollars. martha: what we're hearing, you know, we've been taking comments from viewers on this, to a person they're saying, no, that they don't think that's the answer. you know, the top 3% of income earners, which includes all those people and more, paid 40%
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of the tax burden for the entire country already. the top 3%. so, brad blakeman, i want to bring you in on this because the other thing that we know is if you taxed every single one of those people 100% of their income -- >> that's not what we're talking about. martha: you wouldn't even get this close to solving this problem, so it needs to be as john boehner's suggesting in his opinion, more fundamental. brad, go ahead. what are your thoughts? >> absolutely. this theory that dick advances is the robin hood theory of economics, tried and true to the democrats. soak the rich, and there's enough money there to take care of everybody else. and as you pointed out, you tax them at 100% of their income, you still don't get us out of the enormous debt we've incurred. here's what boehner said, and it's very clear. there isn't going to be any tax increases. he's amenable, as he said, to closing some of the tax loopholes, but read our lips, and we mean it, there is not going to be any increase in the tax rate. boehner can't deliver the votes, and the american people don't want the job creators to be
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penalized where we spend too much and not take in enough to cover our debts. martha: so where does that leave us, dick? where does that leave us? >> well, i think, i mean, if, in fact, the speaker's talking about closing loopholes, i don't think the president's talking about increasing the tax rates on the so-called rich. what he's talking about is the ethanol subsidy where $5 billion a year of our tax money goes. and cutting spending dramatically. with this cautionary word: if you looked at last month's employment rate, if you looked at where there was actually a pretty good increase, not bad increase in job creation, huge increase in unemployment. and the big increase came from folks in government being laid off. so if you cut these jobs, understand it's going to mean at least in the short term a big spike in be unemployment. and by the way, i support, president obama supports cutting spending dramatically. we got ourselves into this -- martha: that's not what i'm hearing from john boehner, brad,
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what we're hearing from john boehner is that he doesn't see fundamental entitlement change in this. it sounds like what his side is saying, brad, and correct me if i'm wrong and we'll go back to dick on this, is that what the president is presenting is, sounds like a band-aid. it's not a fundamental reform of entitlements. and the president said himself at the end of his remarks which was very telling, he said, you know, we've got to get this off the table so we can get back to helping, you know, more people and, basically, expanding, you know, the role of government some would say and the way we're able to help people. brad, quick thought on that. >> martha, the president is trying to sucker the republicans in to the deal he wants. why? because he thinks he's going to be reelected, and he can use this as fodder against the republicans to show the mesh people that it was -- american people that it was republicans who agreed to raise taxes. we've been down this road in 1990, we're not going back down. it doesn't work then, it's not going to work now. if you want to solve the problem, it's a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
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the president has to get serious on here. martha: dick, we're going to end on brad, we started with you. >> oh. martha: you get first word against next week. [laughter] hopefully, we'll be somewhere on all this next week. it is quite a moment to watch. we are awaiting the next round, now, of these key debt talks at the white house. that gets started in 15 minutes. wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall, watch how this is really going down? this is getting very tense, folks. live in washington, details on how this effects jobs in this country and everything else. also, when the world trade center was attacked on 9/11, there was a 25-foot metal sphere that was one of the only symbols of the towers that survived that attack. now some victims' families consider this a critical part of the 9/11 memorial. just ahead, why they are being told they need to forget that idea. when we come back.
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have tax hikes as part of this plan, or there's not going to be a debt ceiling deal which he said there must be. and everybody seems to agree there must be. five minutes ago we heard from speaker john boehner. he said there'll be no new taxes as part of this deal. a lot of questions about corporate loopholes, how that will weigh in. both men meet face to face in ten minutes. we're going to bring you live coverage as we get word out of that meeting. that's coming up. today tickets go on sale for the new 9/11 memorial, but many family and friends of the victims of those terror attacks are expressing outrage over the actual memorial saying it does not recognize the former twin towers or the hundreds of people who lost their lives that day. for example, this iconic sphere sculpture that stood at the center of the world trade plaza, i remember it well -- it was there for 30 years as a symbol of world peace -- that's not going to be part of it. it survived the attack.
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there will also be nowhere on the memorial site, that won't be there, and also the question of the names and how the names of the victims will be presented in all of this including new york fire department captain billy burke who you see pictured there. michael burke, his brother joins me now on this. good to have you here today, michael. well come. >> hi, thank you. martha: first of all, tell everybody the significance of the spear to you. >> well, the sphere, as everybody knows, it stood in the plaza for 30 years, iconic symbol of world peace. it emerged from the collapse of the towers, it was between the two towers, emerged damaged by intact, a piece of one of the airliners had torn through it. um, it was embraced as a symbol of the strength and resiliency of america and new york in response. it sits down at battery park now where it was installed on march 11, 2002, six month anniversary of the attack. but it is not going to be
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returned to the world trade center site. it can't stay at battery park, battery park is going to be renovated, it has to be moved, it's not going to be part of -- martha: why? >> they say it's didactic. i told the architect, the families want this sphere returned, and he winced and said that would be didactic, meaning it would tell us what to think. it is precisely because it is an icon of the strength and perseverance of america that it cannot be returned. martha: you know, and the other issue, talk to us about the names because i feel like not enough people know this. the names of all of the victims, and we all think of the memorials that you visit, you know, the war memorials across the country, and this one is so significant in the our history. it will not not say for your brother, captain william burke. >> it will say billy burke jr. he stayed behind after he got all of his men out.
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w.a. was a -- b.a. was a quadriplegic. before they could make it out, but, actually, they called out family and friends. and before, before they could make it out, the tower collapsed, and captain burke and abe and them per riched with the others. martha: and father michael judge will be michael judge. there'll be no priest reference there. why? as i said to you, these people's titles, captain of the fire department, is such a significant part of telling the story, what their role was on that day. >> this is, this is the crux of the situation. the memorial is not designed, not intended to tell the story of 9/11. we are not -- it is not supposed to remind us of what happened here. this is why it was chosen, this is -- a rod says it. in fact, the jury that picked the memorial said there can be no history of the attacks included in the material to, quote, protect the integrity of the design. so that's why the sphere's not going to be there. martha: stay with us for a
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martha: all right, welcome back. still with us is michael burke, he is captain william burke's brother who died a hero on september 11th. you said something very striking to me during the break, and it goes to what you think will be the biggest disappointment in the unveiling of this museum and this memorial. what is that to you? >> i think that it's not going to speak to the history of the day. the memorial is not going to acknowledge the attacks. you're going to stand on the site, you're going to stand at ground zero, and you will see nothing that we remember september 11th by or that reminds us. there'll be nothing there to remind or to tell future generations what happened here. what we're doing is, essentially, we went to the uss
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arizona memorial and took away the uss arizona. martha: you'll walk through and see the different videos of the day, will you not see the people who carried out this attack pictured there? >> >> well finishing you go to the -- well, if you go to the underground memorial -- martha: right, but your feeling is in the actual me moirl you won't see that. >> no. it has been intentionally disposed of. martha: why? >> >> because, again, they do not -- they don't -- they're trying to eradicate, essentially, eradicate 9/11 from the national consciousness. that's what the effect of this memorial will be. you'll see trees and water surrounding waterfalls, but you won't seeing anything to remind you. just as we went to auschwitz, we replaced the death camps with something that's supposed to be beautiful and poignant. we went to hiroshima and took away the remains of the dome and replaced it with abstract art. gettysburg, not acknowledging the battle. that's what we're doing here. it's an eight-acre site. there's room to restore the
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sphere. it was promised to the families and the general public at the time it was move today battery park that it would be returned. there's a plaque there that says it's a temporary memorial. a have a petition online, save the sphere, it's signed by scores of family members, rescue workers, office workers from the buildings -- martha: where can people go? >> just petition online, just go to that site, and in the search box put save the sphere. martha: because you said it's too late for the title, and a lot of -- >> i don't expect the names to change, but the sphere, yes. martha: thank you so much, mr. burke. good to have you here. >> thank you. martha: over the last two hours we have been watching this play out, the president and the speaker of the house both laid out new ultimatums. in five minutes they will go into that room again and meet face to face. watch what happens. and this army vet lost both of his legs in a roadside bomb, but he lost his life this
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cannot be offered to residents of new york. martha: fox news alert, like two heavy weight fighters the president and the speaker of the house now issuing some new ult mate ums todaultmate ums on howo about raise the debt sealing. that's how we start a brand-new hour of "america live." i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly. a couple of minutes from now inside the white house cabinet room president obama will sit down with leading democrats and republicans from congress. this comes a short time after the president addressed the nation and basically said republicans need to cooperate on raising some taxes as part of this deal. then we had house speaker john boehner responding shortly after that, watch this. >> i do not see a path to a deal if they don't bulge, period. >> the president and i agree that the current levels of
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spending, including entitlement spending are unsustainable. the president and i do not agree on his view that government needs more revenue through higher taxes on job create ors. martha: joined now by bret bair anchor of special report. where does this leave us? >> reporter: it leaves us in much the same place we were when we started this day, and that is that they are back to square one. they are still talking about a big deal, a 4 trillion-dollar deal. we heard new phrases today from both sides the president saying that both sides need to eat their peas, do things they don't want to do. you heard the speaker say, it takes two to tango, but democrats aren't tangoing yet, not serious about entitlement reforms, major entitlement reforms and still tax increases on the table according to the speaker. he says in his discussions with the white house that not once has raising taxes been a part of
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his plan put forward on the table. there is a lot of talk back and forth that his caucus essentially told the speaker, you can't raise taxes, and that he was going to do it. he's claiming that was never part of his discussion. the bottom line is you're still pretty far apart here, and you're going to have a long way to go to get to some big deal. martha: let's look at a piece of sound from today from the president on that note. i want to get your reaction to this. bret, let's take a look. >> nobody has talked about increasing taxes now. nobody has talked about increasing taxes next year. martha: he's saying that awful that would kick in in 2013. that has not got even a lot of attention. is that true, based on what we know? >> reporter: based on what we know and what the president said, it is true. it would be essentially that the bush tax cuts would be let to expire, and that is about a year and a half from now. the argument is on the
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republican side that essentially that has the same effect for job creators that a year and a half from now they know that this tax increase is coming, and plan accordingly with their businesses. what republicans want to do is tie it to an overall tax restructure. you heard the speaker quote senator marco rubio saying we don't need more taxes, we need more taxpayers, in other words, structure the tax code differently. in order to do that it takes long time. to sign the deal now with the guarantee that you're going to do something that big down the road, there just isn't a mechanism to get there. at least there hasn't been so far. the other thing i'm hearing from republicans on the hill, when the president says, let's go, if not now when, a few of them say, well how about six months ago, when you set up this deficit debt commission and largely ignored the results, then you had a state of the union, you had a first budget, you had a
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second budget, you called for a clean debt ceiling increase, that means with no legislation, no cuts at all, and now we are here. so that's what you're getting up on capitol hill from that perspective. martha: that's a great point. we always have to wait until we are down to the wire and then we are told there is no time. rasmussen reports posted brand-new poll numbers that say americans want less federal spending. 55% say a decrease in government spending would be a good thing for the u.s. economy. that number has ranged from 44 to 53% since 2009. now you've got an up tick in that, which is interesting. only 24% say that a decrease in federal spending will hurt the economy. and 11% say that it will have no
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impact. columnist michelle malkin joins us on the spending issue and the showdown with the house speaker. that is five minutes away. there are brand-new developments into the investigation into the botched federal investigation into a program called fast and furious. that is the u.s. program that intentionally funneled thousands of weapons into mexico. and now the family of a murdered u.s. border patrol agent who may have been killed by one of those guns, one was definitely found at the scene of the murder of brian terry, they are saying, his family, that they may sue the federal government. brian terry's relative say they are not looking for money, just answers. william la jeunesse joins us now, he's been following this throughout and he's in los angeles. >> reporter: generally government workers are immuned from prosecution however incompetent or misguided their actions were. there are excepts when agencies can reasonably foresee that their actions or decisions will do harm. in this case the president has
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admitted mistakes in a program where the department of justice knowingly allowed drug cartels to buy and transport thousands of guns to mexico, then failed to inform virtually everyone as people died on both sides of the border. agent brian terry died patrolling this area near tucson in december. prosecutors claim this man pulled the trigger, but the search for justice won't end there. >> anybody who put these weapons in the killer's hands may be liable. >> reporter: paul charleton was the u.s. attorney for seven years. >> i have never seen an investigation where guns were intentionally allowed to walk. that sort of thing doesn't happen, ought not to happen. >> reporter: but in operation fast and furious it did, exposing the u.s. government to liability. >> brian terry's loss was preventible, it was regrettable and preventible.
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>> reporter: congressman darrell issa called for hearings after learning the atf helped sell thousands of guns to known criminals. >> i was flabbergasted. i didn't believe it at first. >> reporter: the terry family says it doesn't want u.s. officials prosecuted criminally in brian's death, but civil court is something else. >> if the evidence shows that brian's death was approximately caused by the negligence of the government, then there may be a cause of action there. >> reporter: the bottom line, the family has not decided if they will file a claim. that could take months. congress will continue its investigation determining who authorized and supervised this. mart that. and we've also learned today that the mexican congress plans to hold hearings this month into fast and furious. this will not only put pressure on calderon and the obama administration to document the murders due to fast and furious.
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martha: the family of brian terry will join us here on "america live." that is coming up, stick around for that. a fox extreme weather alert. we are keeping an eye on a massive heatwave that is gripping a major portion of the country right now. forecasters issuing heat advisories across 15 states today from oklahoma all the way up to illinois. take a look at some of those numbers, folks, some cities are already seeing record-breaking temperatures out there today. like oklahoma city topped out at 108 degrees a few days ago, but relief hopefully it looks like it's in sit sight for them as a major high pressure system breaks up by midweek. we'll stay on top of that. stay cool. in upstate new york an investigation is underway into the horrifying death of a u.s. combat veteran. sergeant james thomas hacimer lost both his legs from a roadside bomb.
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he died after being thrown from a 200-foot roller coaster ride. this is raising questions about the decision to let him ride at all. david lee miller joins us live with the details. what a sad story this is. >> reporter: indeed it is. in addition to losing both of his legs he also suffered two strokes and brain damage while serving in iraq in 2008. and it is still not clear if his physical limitations and/or mechanical failure contributed to the accident that claimed his life. family members say he had to be helped onto the ride of steel roller coaster and that park attendants at the darian lake theme park never raised any objections. his sister said he died doing something he loved. >> he had a s*es fo zest for lie believed in living it to the fullest. i know when this happened he was having a gri great time. we are trying to not feel guilty about taking him to the part that he wanted to go so badly to with us.
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>> reporter: investigators with the new york state department of labor are trying to figure out what went wrong. a debate has been reignited as to whether should be federal oversight of amusement parks. they argue there is nothing to suggest it will improve safety. the industry says the chances of being killed on a ride are one in 750 million. somehow, though, he defied those odds. following his return from iraq he told a local reporter about his plans for the future. >> i want to live my life to the fullest from here on out, no regrets, just looking forward to my life as me. >> reporter: his mother said, we shouldn't have had him these last three years and four months shall it's going to help a little bit that he was happy. he was 29 years old, and his family says, martha, he's going to be buried at arlington national cemetery. martha: what a sad story. david lee, thank you very much. our hearts go out to his family.
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boy, what an awful one. all right. thank you for that, david lee. okay. so there are some new concerns about airport security that are going to get your interest today, folks. a stun gun, you go through all the security, so how does a stun gun make it onto a commercial flight? trace gallagher has been looking into that, just a string of tsa issues that we've been talking about here lately. as the curtain closes on the american space shuttle program one of our biggest competitors is making a giant leap to the final front tear, folks frontie. will china rocket past the u.s. into outer space? the president sitting down with republicans and democrats trying to get to a debt deal. he said he's ready for compromises. republicans seem not so read defor a compromise. michelle malkin says we are not getting the whole picture here. she joins us live after the
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break. >> what i've said to them is, let's go. it is possible for us to construct a package that would be balanced, would share sacrifice, would involve both parties taking on their sacred cows.
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martha: president obama behind closed doors now with leaders from congress to try and hammer out some kind of deal that would allow us to raise the debt ceiling, but the major sticking points really have not changed very much over the last few days. this leaves you wondering how they are ever going to get a deal here. the hour glass is running out. white house aids say this a deal must be reached by july 22nd in order for congress to draft and then pass a bill on time before the august 2nd deadline that you've heard about before. july 22nd is really the drop dead date that we're hearing right now. if not the u.s. could begin to default on its obligations by the 2nd of august as i said.
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the president says he's ready to make tough decisions in the eupts ointerests of compromise n things to make a deal. >> i'm prepared to do it, i'm prepared to take on significant heat from my party to get something done. martha: joining me now is michelle malkin, a columnist and a fox news contributor. he says eat your peas, time to get in the room and make a deal. what say you. >> reporter: i don't know what other metaphors he could have tossed in there. the bottom line is that the narrative is warped, and the republicans have to do everything they can to rise up and fight this warped narrative, that somehow it's the republicans that won't pwupbl, that somehow it's the republicans who have not proposed the tough decisions. it's this president who has been leading from behind, reacting to proactive entitlement reformers
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like paul ryan. i think it's worth noting the chronology here, that it was after the midterm elections when the american people sent a message that they wanted serious fiscal reform, that obama put together this kob u.k. i blue ribbon commission and ignored all of the structural reforms it proposed, structural reforms that were revenue neutral along the lines of the republican reformers principles. that's gone out the window as well. martha: a couple of times he said sort of with distain i think is a fairly -- i think is a fair assessment, you know, you guys, talking about the gop, this is what you told us you wanted. you wanted to see deficit reduction, and you believe that is the path to getting the economy going again, here we are. now you have to step forward. the only way to do it is to agree that the fat cats will have to chip in too. if you can't do that it means you don't really care about what
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you said you cared about. >> reporter: so much disinch genuineness. let's say obama is meeting them halfway or what he proposed has anything to do with republican hard-core fiscal conservative principles and tough entitlement reform. in fact what obama is offering, which is what democrats always offer is something i call the whimpy plan. you remember the character whimpy from popeye. i was always promising that he would pay for hamburgers on tuesday for those hamburgers today. and this is the analogy here. because what he's saying is, well, sure we can talk about tax reform, and tax cuts on tuesday, and, i don't know, the year 3,000 for a trillion dollars worth of taxes today. we know that that bargain is never going to take place, republicans have fallen for it before in the past, and hopefully they'll learn from history. we have john boehner and eric
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cantor apparently standing firm now, and they did the right thing over the weekend in saying, no, no, we are not going to stand for this. and they are saying that the house will not stand for any tax increases, period. and along with that of course means not buying all of the rhetorical you've mis you've tpg for tax reform. martha: eek what hraoeugz the corporate playing fielequalizine are hearing is we couldn't possible below do that in the time that we have. i think that argument gets old too. >> reporter: of course it does. which again you have to remind people of the chronology here, it's obama and the democrats who have been stalling. 800 days without a budget. months and months of not -- years and years of not doing anything about entitlement reform, and the republicans cannot be scared into some --
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another manufactured crisis and chicken little rhetoric from the democrats on this. don't fall for the game, don't blink, don't give in. martha: michelle, thank you very much. we've heard about that from both administrations in recent years, in terms of tax reform and entitlement reform as well. we'll see where we get. in the meantime we have this story for you, the family of a u.s. border patrol agent saying that they may sue the federal government over its botched investigation that allowed weapons to end up in the hands of the mexican drug cartels. coming up, we're going to talk to the attorney for brian terry's family, in his first live interview, about why the family now feels that a lawsuit to get information out of the u.s. government is now their only option. and a little boy goes outside to play and ends up falling down that well. the incredible story of how his dad managed to save him.
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martha: new video coming into the newsroom, it shows president obama getting ready to meet with democrat and republican leaders at the white house regarding the big debt crisis that they are beginning. they are back at it. president obama didn't have much to say except this is the same photo op we got yesterday, except now they have ties on, because it's monday, there is no actual comment on this. you can see the room, see who is in there. as soon as we get any actual news coming out of there as far as what they are getting in that discussion we'll get it to you.
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there are new concerns about airport security. i've got to tell you, this is incredible, a stun gun is what they found this time, not somebody boarding with old boarding passes, remember that one from last week? you have this. this was found on a jetblue plane on a flight there boston to newark. trace gallagher is live in our west coast newsroom with the very latest. a comedy of errors, except that it's pretty serious stuff from the tsa. >> reporter: exactly, this was found in the seat back pocket, martha and the f.b.i. is involved in this. they are taking this very seriously. remember for context when the 9/11 commission came out with their report they reported that the terrorists actually had some dry runs from logan -- from boston's logan airport. this was from newark to boston. the cleaning crew found the striker 1800 stun gun, it can do 1.8 million volts of electricity. that ca can disable a person vey quickly. they are check being all the passengers that had access to
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that seat. >> you don't know if it was a terrorist, someone forgot to get the stun gun. there are a lot of scenarios that could have went on. this is definitely something that needs to be addressed immediately. >> reporter: boy does it. look at this picture, it's the -- the concerning part here is it doesn't look like a gun, it really is the same size as an iphone, about 4 inches long, 2 and a half inches wide. this could slip past security pretty easily. it's a very effective weapon, and lot of passengers in newark were very surprised it got on. listen. >> it's just kraeudee. that is pretty wild. all the thing that we go through every day to have to go through security and something gets through that easy? that is pretty wild. >> i can't imagine getting anything through. hats off, belts off, that is pretty amazing. >> reporter: we contacted tsa the transportation security administration. they are saying don't jump to conclusions here because they are still investigating. it might not have come through
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security. we are kind of racking our brains trying to figure out how else it might have got even on board that plane. that's why the f.b.i. is involved. it was definitely a stun gun found on a jetblue flight. martha: unbelievable. we are all ears to find out how it got through security or if it didn't go through security. that is another story. trace, thank you very much. it's going on right now, folks, the president is meeting with leaders from congress, they are trying to figure out how to get the debt ceiling increased, which they believe they have to do, a lot of americans feel they shouldn't feel the pressure to do that, that they should be keting spending in order to get there. the real story may be across town. the chamber of commerce, over there they are asking really the headline question of all, where are the jobs? that is what the chamber of commerce wants to know on the heels of very frightening new numbers coming from small businesses about how they plan to do hiring or not in the coming weeks. this was a beauty, look at that. some sort of miracle, some say
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solutions. alternate the aflcio, a view that the government should spend more time on job creation. they hrarbgd out at the focus in washington on deficit reduction when he says it should you can job creation. he secured one of his closes allies, the president of the united states when asked if the president is his friend. >> he's a second cousin. [laughter] we put him into the category of a friend that gets delusional once in a while. >> reporter: partly said in jest. that remark from a union leader who has visited the white house 57 times since 2009. he also lashed out at the declared presidential candidates calling them the seven dwarfs, any of whom he said will get us into a depression if elected. across town at the u.s. chamber of commerce, they released a survey that points to small businesses frustration with washington. 65% of small business owners
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said they have no plans to hire more people skwrebgs year. 12% plan to cut jobs next year. only 19% said they plan to hire next year. one of the biggest problems that they hear from small business owners is government over regulation. >> the combined weight of all these new regulatory activities is something we have never seen before in this country. it is unjustified and uncalled for in a free society, and a free economy. and it's killing american jobs. >> reporter: in contrast to the words of richard trumka he says congress must raise the debt sealing, it's imperative to instill confidence in small business owners and reduce economic uncertainty. martha. martha: thank you very much. so the crew of the space shuttle atlantis busy moving a year's worth of supplies into the international space station. they need to get it done before tomorrow's spacewalk, that's on
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their agenda. it is the only one of the space walks that is scheduled for this mission, which is of course the last of the shuttle program. hard to believe that we are finally here. the nasa organization is preparing to close that chapter of manned space flight. it is one that has led to america's decades of dominance in high-tech innovation, but it's all systems go now in china, apparently. the chinese space program is preparing to build its own space station and send a manned mission to the moon by 2020. what is on the line for the united states if china takes the lead in the space race now? let's bring in former astronaut dr. scott horror witnesses on this. what is your reaction to china's move in space? >> martha, thanks for having me. i think people need to look at china, india and others as countries that have a plan. we had a plan, we now don't have a plan. but they have a plan, they are serious about moving forward. they see the advantages of
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having a manned space program. martha: and how well do you think they'll be able to carry out the goals that they set for themselves in terms of reaching the moon by 2020, is that a reasonable goal as far as we know in terms of their program? >> well from what we know, and again a lot of their program is very secretive, so we don't have tremendous insight into all the details of their program. just look at their progress in the last five or ten years. they don't have to do everything we did in mercury, gemini and apollo to get to the moon. all they have to do is one of each of those types of missions to prove that they've read all the textbooks and developed the technologies and they can move forward. they can move forward very, very rapidly. they are already ready to launch a module to have a small space station in orbit in the next year or so. martha: what we've been told here at home is that private enterprise can sort of replace a lot of the work that nasa has done, or work in concert with nasa in order to move our space program forward. does that work for you?
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does that make sense to you? >> no, in fact i was the associate administrator who started the commercial transportation system. what the commercial folks can do is provide services at a reduced rate if they can develop a market for such a service. nasa can do the hard things like go on and do exploration, get onto the moon, onto mars, see as ta roeudzastroids, all of those, really difficult missions and if the commercial companies can find a viable market to sell their wares the government can buy services from the commercial entities. let's be guy honest here, we don't have those commercial services available today, they are still in development, so we have now risked the entire future of manned space flight on a capability that doesn't exist and we've retired the only one that we had. martha: you think about the emotional attachment, and the sense of pride that americans
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have had for so many years in our space program. you caulked about mercury and some of the early attempts to get to the moon. how much is lost in terms of that? and in terms of the technology that was fostered through all of these missions. >> martha, as we've discussed before, i tell people when i tour the country and i visit school children and talk to groups that, as you know, it's the thousands of people that pour their hearts and souls into these missions and the building of this hardware that is so incredible that makes the space program go. it's more than just the hardware, it's thousands and thousands of very talented men and women across the country to whom i owe a great deal, and our entire nation owes a great deal and we are losing them and losing the motivation of a generation. all of that is going to go away. when i was growing up i got to look forward to all these exciting advancements that were going on around me in the apollo program and what lay beyond. i'm afraid that my children, if
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they want to learn anything about the moon and see any moon artifacts they'll have to go visit a museum in beijing. martha: it's not a positive prospect when you look at it that way. dr. scott horowitz it's very good to have you with us today and hopefully we can turn this around and the united states can get back into it and advance this technology. china seems to be very serious about it. thanks for your help. good to have you here today, sir as always. martha: absolutely, martha, thanks so much for having me. martha: our thanks to dr. scott horowitz. next a piece of history bytes the dust. while a bridge that has been around for a hundred years had to come down and how that happened. we'll show you that. court action could be ahead for the federal government botched gun effort in mexico known as fast and furious. the family of a u.s. border agent is looking to sue, brian terry's family is looking to sue. their attorney will be here for his first live interview on this. he will join us and tell was the
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states government about what they knew. brian terry's family is now looking at whether to sue the federal government over this controversial plan, this fast and furious program that we've told you a lot about here on "america live." it was a botched gun running sting operation that intentionally funneled weapons, u.s. weapons into the hands of drug cartels and those who carry out their crimes. we are very glad now to be joined by paul charlton who is the attorney who is now representing brian terry's family. mr. charlton, welcome, good to have you here today. >> thank you. martha: tell me, what drew you to this family, you know, and this case, and got you involved? >> well, i was in federal law enforcement as an assistant u.s. attorney and as the u.s. attorney for many years, and when the family reached out to us and asked us if we would assist them the story was so compelling and so tragic that we agreed that we would sit down with them, review the facts and help them decide whether or not
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a lawsuit was appropriate here. martha: yeah, we all remember when we got the news of this border agent's death. and it was almost like pulling on a string and the further that you got on the string, then we started to learn about this program, fast and furious, which was a program that put thousands of guns into the hands of mexican drug cartels, and then we learned that one of the guns that was found at that scene was linked to that program. what are you learning as you sort of sift your way through this story that has got even you more and more involved and more and more wanting answers? >> well, what we're learning is that two of the weapons that were found at brian's murder scene were in fact part of operation fast and furious. and this tragedy, the tragedy of losing a son, a heroic member of law enforcement, someone who wanted to serve his country, has now been compounded by what may have been the actions of a federal law enforcement agency
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delivering the assault weapons that were used to kill brian into the killer's hands. martha: it's so important that we find out, you know, where this program came from, who knew about it, how it was carried out. we talked to congressman darrell issa and senator grassley at length on this program. now it's raising a question, now that you're representing the family. what does the family want from the u.s. government at this point? >> what the terry family wants is to make sure that no other family lives through the tragedy that they've experienced, that no other family has to suffer because law enforcement made the kinds of desists that were madee learned here. martha: one of the questions is how high up the chain this goes. attorney general eric holder said he was not aware of this program. mr. melson the head of the atf
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said mistakes were made, he acknowledged they made mistakes in this program. where do we go from here? one people that pops into people's minds, they want to know does the terry family want money? what are they after? >> what the terry family wants is to make sure this tragedy doesn't happen again. what we are doing is watching the investigation that congressman issa, senator grassley, the inspector general, are all conducting, and we are also conducting our own investigation. once we have sufficient facts we'll sit down with the family and make a decision with their direction about what it is they'd like to do. but there has to come a point in time when someone in law enforcement, someone who has decision-making authority stands up and takes responsibility for what happened here h. marthahere. martha: yeah, just to get the facts laid down here. is the family ruling out or ruling in the possibility of suing the u.s. government for money? >> no, i think what happens and
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what's been happening for over 200 years in the american judicial system is that these kinds of lawsuits have a benefit, and the benefit is correcting the kind of behavior that we see here, and that may have occurred here. once we have all of the facts, what this family wants is to make sure that no one else suffers in a way that they have. martha: they are not seeking any financial damages in this. is that right? >> what this family wants, as i say is to make sure that this doesn't happen again. when we know what the facts are then we'll make a decision about whether or not there is a lawsuit and against whom the lawsuit will be brought. whether or not there are financial damages or not is something we have to look at when we get all of the facts. you're asking what this family wants. martha: thank you. >> they want to make sure it doesn't happen again. martha: i hear you. i think everybody wants to make sure that is the case. mr. charlton thank you. we'll be following this and your investigation into this as well and we'll stay on top of it. good to talk to you today.
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thank you. a little boy goes out to play and the next thing his family hears is screaming. so they run out and try to figure out what happened, and they find their little boy, 3 years old at the bottom of a 40-foot well. maybe some of this sounds familiar to you, if you remember the baby jessica story. it had happened again, but this time the father took action. we're going to show you what happened. and not since america's dream team thrilled the world at the 1980 olympics have you seen a sports miracle like this. folks, what a moment this was. the u.s. women's soccer team scores big. congratulations to them. nice work, ladies. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is coach parker... whose non-stop day starts with back pain... and a choice.
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martha: here is a good ending story for you. a 3-year-old boy is now safe and sound after he took a tumble into this deep, deep well. fortunately he had just learned how to swim. he bought his father enough time from swimming down there to get down there and help him. trace gallagher is live in our west coast newsroom with this unbelievable good story. hey, trace. >> reporter: it's a great story, mart that. the well was built back in 1886 and it was covered with a rotted piece of plywood. and 3-year-old dylan mccoy was jumping up and down on the plywood. it gave awa way, he fell 40 fee. his father ran over and saw dillon trying to keep his head above water. here is dad. >> i told him to calm down, it's going to be all right.
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daddy is coming. stop crying shall it's going to be okay. >> reporter: and then jake and his father tried to lower a ladder down in the well but that didn't work, so jake had to climb down in there on those slippery walls. then the problem was they were both stuck at the bottom. it wasn't until the fire department came and pulled both of them out. listen. >> it's amazing what you can do if your son or daughter is trapped in a well, screaming and crying for your name. you'd do pretty much just about anything. >> he had an angel with him the whole way. something was protecting him. >> reporter: an angel indeed. and he just learned how to swim. remember this in 1987, baby jessica in mid land, texas, she was trapped in a well 22 feet down for 58 hours. the nation was captivated by this. remember watching every minute of it? president reagan said that baby jessica had godmothers and god natses all over the nation. she is now 25 years old, by the
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way, and apparently doing quite well, martha. martha: that makes me feel really old. trace gallagher in the west coast bureau. this is a great story with only a minute and 20 to go the u.s. women's soccer team losing by a score of 2-1. what happened next, is one of the best stories of the day, folks. we'll be right back.
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kicks, imagine the pressure on that player, and the victory sets them up for a semi final match, and that will happen against france on wednesday. we wish them well. what an amazing, amazing score that was. good job, girls. nice going. so before we go today i want to send out a big thank you, because on saturday night my husband and my boys and i and david azman and his wife, we all went to see trace atkins and his band play in h hyannis, massachusetts. there is kraeus, the big guy with the cowboy hat. it was an awesome show. everybody was nice to us, the boys in the band. we thank them for a great time. you should catch them. they are across the country ove this summer. it was fun. thanks for watching. i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly. next is shepard smith.